. >> watch the dedication ceremony of the george w. bush presidential library and museum from southern methodist university in dallas. live thursday morning at 11:00 a.m. eastern on c-span 3. c-span 35 radio and c-span.org. and tune in earlier at 6:20 a.m. eastern on c-span for conversation with the former first couple. >> one of the problems when the judges are appointing the public defenders is then that the public defenders' job is reliant on their approval. their es are judged on efficiency often. how fast do they process cases, how quickly do they get through the docket? so, they're going to want a public defender that goes along and gets along. that does their bidding. and that's a real challenge. and in new orleans, for a long time, the system was also that one public defender was a say -- assigned to one courtroom and the same judge. so they were always arguing before the same judge. and the problem with that is that they were then kind of trading clients in a way. like, ok, you know, my private paying client, you know, if you